Pauline Gerstl

"If they hear some rumors, they should believe it and take all the precautions that they can or able to take.  Rumors, we never believed it was so very bad in Germany.  Do something; help yourself before it’s too late."

Name at birth
Pauline Bender
Date of birth
04/29/1909
Where were you born?
Where did you grow up?
Vienna, Austria
Name of father, occupation
Sigmund Bender, Businessman
Maiden name of mother, occupation
Hermina Baeck, Homemaker
Immediate family (names, birth order)
Parents, Wilhemina (Leah), Max, Theresa and me
Who survived the Holocaust?
Theresa and I
Gerstl was born in 1909 in Vienna, Austria, one of four children of well-off reform Jewish parents. She received commercial training in the Viennese school system and entered the work force when her father died. She and her family lived in an outlying district of Vienna where very few Jews resided and they experienced no antisemitism. Following her marriage in 1935, Gerstl and her husband moved to Vienna’s second district where most of the Jewish people lived. Her husband, a tailor by training, was a pattern maker in a custom tailoring firm and the couple shared a good life.

Following Germany’s annexation of Austria in March 1938, life became increasingly more difficult for Viennese Jewry. Gerstl’s cousin was arrested in April 1938 and murdered while being transported to the Dachau concentration camp. The Nazi authorities asked for a large sum of money to deliver his ashes to his family. Gerstl recalls being arrested and forced to scrub a building on one occasion. They avoided the mass arrests during the Kristallnacht riots by moving in with her mother in the outlying district of Vienna for a few days.

Unable to obtain proper visas for emigration, Gerstl and her husband entered Belgium illegally in December 1938. With the invasion of Belgium by Germany imminent in May 1940, Belgian authorities arrested aliens, including her husband. He was deported to the St. Cyprien internment camp in France. Gerstl fled from Belgium with many others on the last train prior to the German occupation. French authorities arrested all the refugees and confined them in a detention camp at Vallon en Sully.

Living conditions at Vallon en Sully were extremely bad with no toilet facilities or even running water. Most inmates were housed in barns and slept on straw. Since Gerstl was in the fourth month of pregnancy, she was given better treatment and allowed to stay in the stables. She was also provided with more food. Since the detention camp had no medical facilities, she was released just prior to her expected delivery date. She joined relatives in Nice on France’s south coast. Her husband had escaped from St. Cyprien and was also there. She delivered a daughter on October 10, 1940.

Even though Nice was in the unoccupied part of France, i.e., Vichy France, Germany demanded the deportation of all Jews in 1943. To provide easier accessibility to them, all the Jews were confined in a hotel. Women with children under the age of three were exempt from deportation, but Gerstl and her husband fled from the hotel and went into hiding. About the time the baby had her third birthday, the southeastern tip of France was ceded to Italy and Italian forces occupied the territory. Gerstl considers this a miracle since it saved them from being ultimately picked up by the Gestapo and deported to a German concentration camp and probable death.

The Italians created a detention camp for refugees in the town of Vence, about one hour from Nice. A part of the town was ghettoized, kept under surveillance, but not surrounded by barbed wire or walls. Inmates lived in apartments. Movement was restricted, and everyone was required to report to camp officials twice each day.

When Italy capitulated the camp was abandoned and the Gerstls returned to Nice. Once again under German control, they went into hiding. Since this became very difficult, especially with a very young child, Gerstl’s daughter was placed into the custody of acquaintances, and then for over 1 1/2 years with a childless couple in a small town, Antibes, about an hour from Nice.

Following the liberation of southern France by American forces, Gerstl regained custody of her daughter. The family stayed in France several more years, but came to the United States in 1951.

Theresa went to England in 1939 and died on November 23, 2000. Wilhemina died of heart attack at beginning of war. My mother and brother Max were deported to Riga, Latvia in November, 1940 and were later shot there. My father died in 1926.  I lost my entire extended family.


Where were you in hiding?
An attic and a cellar in Vanc, France
When did you come to the United States?
1951
Occupation after the war
Dressmaker, alterations, learned in while in hiding
When and where were you married?
1935 in Vienna
Spouse
Wilhelm Gerstl
Children
Jeanette Olson, born in 1940, language teacher
What do you think helped you to survive?
My daughter, I wanted to live for my daughter.
What message would you like to leave for future generations?
If they hear some rumors, they should believe it and take all the precautions that they can or able to take.  Rumors, we never believed it was so very bad in Germany.  Do something; help yourself before it’s too late.
Interviewer:
Hans Weinmann, Zekelman Holocaust Center
Interview date:
01/09/1996
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